Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Guest from the Left: J. Marquis

BAM!


Complete and total win by the president tonight. Romney spent the whole debate sweating and trying to figure out how much to agree with the administration's policies. Best line in my opinion: Governor Romney has a foreign policy out of the 1980's, a social policy out of the 1950's and an economic policy out of the 1920's.

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30 comments:

ALa said...

Jim...I think you might have forgotten some html: /delusion.

JRob said...

It you think petulant childishness wins a debate, I guess he did.

JRob said...

It you think petulant childishness wins a debate, I guess he did.

jim marquis said...

Ala- you know you cheated me out of two exclamation points on the title...

Rickvid in Seattle said...

"We have these things called aircraft carriers..." Yeah, very good point, Jim. Wow, priggish condensation is not a win. What a rube. Smug, arrogant, conceited, patronizing, take your pick. Obama has evidenced these traits all his life. He simply states that things are great and will be better, trust him. Yet, we see that not only will his political and social theories simply not work, but he has been a lazy, sophomoric lout too engrossed in his own perceived grandeur to even try to get his programs done without having both houses of congress in his own party. He looked so much like the challenger, and Romney so much like the incumbent, that this debate will be studied for decades as a lesson on how to, yet again, make a pathetic attempt and miserably fail. It is in Obama's nature.

Zelda said...

Obama let the ambassador die, lied about it, blamed the first amendment, apologized for it, and then tried to use the corpse to shame Romney into silence. So yeah, I guess he won.

SoLow said...

Again I ask, how does anyone "WIN" a debate? I've got a hard core right wing(nut) for a roommate and he swears that Romney kicked Obummer's ass. Now Jim swears the opposite. There was no scoreboard on stage last night. Nobody scored a right hook to the jaw. Nobody crossed home plate. Nobody punched it into the end zone. It's all useless bullshit if you ask me, and I'd love to know how much $$ was invested in what, 4 debates? These 2 dickheads are gallavanting around from city to city spending millions for what amounts to a job interview. The more I pay attention - especially this time around - the more I agree with Free & The Artist Formerly Known As Freakchylde (sorry, I can't spell that Viking shit). :)

Bram said...

They were both terrible and agreed with each other on basically every topic. If Gary Johnson had been invited, they both would have looked like incompetent fools doubling down on failure.

Neither could just admit that Afghanistan was a victory 10 years ago and now a horrible failure. Neither could be honest about Pakistan, although Romney came closer. Let's just keep the foreign aid flowing although we are broke.

The worst Obama line that Romney just ignored:
"rewarding companies and small businesses that are investing here not overseas."

So forget that we have the highest corporate taxes in the world and the worst regulatory environment - we'll fix it with Crony Capitalism! And more schoolz!

Bram said...

And Obama didn't go on an apology tour - he just visited a lot of places, bent over and said "sorry" a lot.

jim marquis said...

SoLow- in their defense, I'm sure neither of these guys wants to spend their time going through this political meatgrinder month after month. But that's the stupid system we're stuck with right now.

kerner said...

The thing about these debates is that you don't win or lose them like a game in a playoff series. The question is: what were each of them trying to accomplish?

Romney has so far successfully got undecideds breaking his way and is poaching women from Obama's coalition, which is what he was trying to do more of last night. If Romney can get undecideds, and particularly women and young people, to trust him and believe that he can do the job, he will win. And all the BAM's in the world won't matter one bit. That's what he was trying to do last night, and in two weeks we will find out whether he succeeded.

Bram said...

The biggest flub in any of the debates was Obama talking about another "assault weapons" ban.

That cost him a huge number of votes in swing states. The media didn't report it, but Obama has trailed every pole since then.

CrabbyOldMan said...

The country very badly needs genuine public debates.
There used to be a program on public television called “the Advocates”. There was a debate question, two debate teams of two members each, and time allotted for each side to state their case and then further time allotted for rebuttal. There were no interruptions.
The debaters were real high powered people. I remember that William Buckley and Michael Dukakis were both frequent debaters.
The debate questions were things like should we have nuclear power plants or are high voltage power lines actually dangerous. Global warming surely would have been a debate that attracted a huge audience.
If I were an Andrew Carnegie, I would sponsor such debates in perpetuity.

CrabbyOldMan said...

The “debates” the Presidential candidates have had are beauty contests that really are not academic debates at all. I doubt anyone seriously disagrees with me.
“Winning” or “loosing” is a matter of who convinces the most people to vote for the particular contestant.
The convincing factor(s) could be rational or irrational, conscious or unconscious, or a combination of any or all. Actual facts and logic matter only incidentally.
The partisans all believe their guy “won” last night. In this election, as with most, that is irrelevant. The success of each candidate bringing the middle and the undecided into his own fold (and thereby securing a majority) is what IS relevant.
When the mad Marxist wasn’t speaking, he looked like he wanted to punch the mad Mormon in the face. The Messiah got caught in a couple fibs and lost self-control a couple times. In contrast, Willard DID keep his self-control and the fact checkers later supported him against the Fibber-in-Chief’s challenges.
Personally, I think Romney “won” by bringing more people into his tent than the Apologist-in-Chief did unless too many dead Chicagoans show up at the polls. However, we won’t know until the votes are counted.

Haverwilde said...

It is interesting to watch the snears and nastiness, and this from the leader of the most corrupt administration in modern American history.
It is way past time for him to go!

Robert B said...

1980's foreign policy: Strong military and took down the USSR
1950's social policy: greater family values, less illegitimacy
1020's economic policy: "Roaring Twenties," great economy.

Ya.... I'll choose all of the above.

Bram said...

Before the debates Obama was up by several points in most polls. Now Romney is up by 5 points in most.

Stix said...

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

being a petulant child does not win debates

Hoss said...

Obama's a miserable failure in every aspect as a president, and America's suffering mightily due to his incompetency, but he won a debate (according to Jim).

Good, let's put him on the fucking speech team and retire him from office. Giving a speech is the only thing he's done of note in his life preceding the fifteen minutes he was a senator anyway.

careaga, the other one said...

Telling lie after lie after lie and, now and then throwing in some condescending overtones does not win you the debate. Neither does saying, "My opponent is a liar." Cripes, I can get that on a jr. high school debate!
I think someone told Romney that his agression was going well with the white, middle class men who's vote he already had. He calmed down a bit and let Obama be the junk yard dog and won some of the women voters out there...and Obama lost some.

freakchylde said...

LOL SoLow, I've tried to sign in with my usual account, but for some reason Halo won't work with it very well. So it defaults to my google account (and why it attaches to my Blogger account, I don't know.

Anonymous said...

Does condescension and lying make one a winner? There were aircraft carriers and subs in World War II, they also existed in the '70's, but Obama doesn't care that China and Iran are expanding their navies and technology.

He also apparently doesn't know or care that bayonets are still standard issue and the weapon of choice for close-in fighting or that horses have played a major part in Afghanistan.

Bram said...

Claiming we had more bayonets in 1916 shows his complete ignorance of all things military.

Freemom said...

Obama didn't gain any and Romney didn't lose any - so Romney "won" - but Crabby is right - these are NOT debates. I would love to see a REAL debate. I was on the debate team in high school - the real format is much better - and NO moderators - just timekeepers.

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